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	<title>Comments on: UU World Article on Ethical Eating: A Disappointment</title>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s that time again. UU Blog Awards &#171; Elizabeth&#8217;s Little Blog</title>
		<link>http://elizabethslittleblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/uu-world-article-on-ethical-eating-a-huge-disappointment/#comment-14453</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s that time again. UU Blog Awards &#171; Elizabeth&#8217;s Little Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] favorite is my response to the UU World Article on Ethical Eating although somehow I feel like this is not going to be a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://elizabethslittleblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/uu-world-article-on-ethical-eating-a-huge-disappointment/#comment-14451</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Susan. I feel your pain. It is a hard balance - how to stand strong for what you believe in and what has been shown to be effective to combat global warming and widespread suffering - yet at the same time not wanting to come across as righteous even if you don't mean to. Thanks so much for reading and for sharing your passion about this. It does make a difference! In peace and solidarity, Elizabeth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Susan. I feel your pain. It is a hard balance - how to stand strong for what you believe in and what has been shown to be effective to combat global warming and widespread suffering - yet at the same time not wanting to come across as righteous even if you don&#8217;t mean to. Thanks so much for reading and for sharing your passion about this. It does make a difference! In peace and solidarity, Elizabeth</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Cockrell</title>
		<link>http://elizabethslittleblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/uu-world-article-on-ethical-eating-a-huge-disappointment/#comment-14449</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Cockrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be a thread that has petered out, but I, sitting here on a cold January 2008 morning, want to add  to the discussion: I am an angry vegetarian! First, I'm very tired of defending my approach to a more humane world because I have somehow tapped into someone's resevoir of guilt. I have made a choice to not eat animals, and I will not be made to feel guilty because I, by my choices, have made you feel guilty. I'm so tired of hearing someone offer ME a lame apology as they take a slice of turkey or order a steak. Why they apologize to me I do not know: apologize to the animal, to the air, to the soil, to the Earth itself--all who are profoundly harmed by your choice. Please do NOT apologize to me.

I do not seek out meat-eating people so I can somehow remind them that I'm superior because I don't eat meat. But here's what I do: when I attend a function where the main topic of discussion is how to bring about a more just or humane world, or how to live more environmentally responsibly, I mention that there is nothing an individual can do that will have more impact than ceasing to eat animals. I attended a meeting last night at our local library held by a group calling themselves Planet Home. We watched a movie about the death of the electric car, and then afterwards, with heads shaking about the shame of an irresponsible, even criminal, series of events that removed the option of the totally electric car from ways to cut fuel consumption, we were invited by the leader to enjoy the delicious food being served--even some vegetarian! But the main dish contained meat. Huh? When I mentioned, in private so as not to embarrass the whole crowd, this contradiction to the leader, she became very defensive, embarrassed, and reminded me she wasn't "getting paid for this." Again I say huh? This is the dead cow in the living room that everyone steps around so as not to make anyone else feel bad. I'm not OUT to make anyone feel bad, but it's kind of hard to ignore this major contradiction: the group asked us to bring our own utensils to the meeting (a great idea), so we didn't have to use paper plates and plastic forks. But, then, to serve food that is grown and processed in such environmentally damaging and unsustainable ways is just to conveniently ignore reality. I'm not talking about what each of these people eat in their homes--I'm just aghast that they cannot come together to talk about these issues for one meeting a month without serving meat. Even committed carnivores don't eat meat at every meal! It all just rings a bit phony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to be a thread that has petered out, but I, sitting here on a cold January 2008 morning, want to add  to the discussion: I am an angry vegetarian! First, I&#8217;m very tired of defending my approach to a more humane world because I have somehow tapped into someone&#8217;s resevoir of guilt. I have made a choice to not eat animals, and I will not be made to feel guilty because I, by my choices, have made you feel guilty. I&#8217;m so tired of hearing someone offer ME a lame apology as they take a slice of turkey or order a steak. Why they apologize to me I do not know: apologize to the animal, to the air, to the soil, to the Earth itself&#8211;all who are profoundly harmed by your choice. Please do NOT apologize to me.</p>
<p>I do not seek out meat-eating people so I can somehow remind them that I&#8217;m superior because I don&#8217;t eat meat. But here&#8217;s what I do: when I attend a function where the main topic of discussion is how to bring about a more just or humane world, or how to live more environmentally responsibly, I mention that there is nothing an individual can do that will have more impact than ceasing to eat animals. I attended a meeting last night at our local library held by a group calling themselves Planet Home. We watched a movie about the death of the electric car, and then afterwards, with heads shaking about the shame of an irresponsible, even criminal, series of events that removed the option of the totally electric car from ways to cut fuel consumption, we were invited by the leader to enjoy the delicious food being served&#8211;even some vegetarian! But the main dish contained meat. Huh? When I mentioned, in private so as not to embarrass the whole crowd, this contradiction to the leader, she became very defensive, embarrassed, and reminded me she wasn&#8217;t &#8220;getting paid for this.&#8221; Again I say huh? This is the dead cow in the living room that everyone steps around so as not to make anyone else feel bad. I&#8217;m not OUT to make anyone feel bad, but it&#8217;s kind of hard to ignore this major contradiction: the group asked us to bring our own utensils to the meeting (a great idea), so we didn&#8217;t have to use paper plates and plastic forks. But, then, to serve food that is grown and processed in such environmentally damaging and unsustainable ways is just to conveniently ignore reality. I&#8217;m not talking about what each of these people eat in their homes&#8211;I&#8217;m just aghast that they cannot come together to talk about these issues for one meeting a month without serving meat. Even committed carnivores don&#8217;t eat meat at every meal! It all just rings a bit phony.</p>
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		<title>By: Lillian Reid</title>
		<link>http://elizabethslittleblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/uu-world-article-on-ethical-eating-a-huge-disappointment/#comment-3182</link>
		<dc:creator>Lillian Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Elizabeth - I am a Vegan and I wish more people would be. But at this time
they are not, even Unitarians are not. So I thought that article was good for relating
to most people where they are at.  There was  a lot of interesting information in the
article that confirmed my beliefs about the environmental advantages of being a Vegan. I
was pleased to read it and I thought it was good for meat eaters to hear it from another
meat eater and not from a Vegan. That made it more credible I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Elizabeth - I am a Vegan and I wish more people would be. But at this time<br />
they are not, even Unitarians are not. So I thought that article was good for relating<br />
to most people where they are at.  There was  a lot of interesting information in the<br />
article that confirmed my beliefs about the environmental advantages of being a Vegan. I<br />
was pleased to read it and I thought it was good for meat eaters to hear it from another<br />
meat eater and not from a Vegan. That made it more credible I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Read Reader Responses to UU World Ethical Eating Article &#171; Elizabeth&#8217;s Little Blog</title>
		<link>http://elizabethslittleblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/uu-world-article-on-ethical-eating-a-huge-disappointment/#comment-1685</link>
		<dc:creator>Read Reader Responses to UU World Ethical Eating Article &#171; Elizabeth&#8217;s Little Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 03:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My thoughts on it. Some follow up thoughts. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ethical Eating in UU World - A Short Response &#171; Elizabeth&#8217;s Little Blog</title>
		<link>http://elizabethslittleblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/uu-world-article-on-ethical-eating-a-huge-disappointment/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethical Eating in UU World - A Short Response &#171; Elizabeth&#8217;s Little Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] , animals&#160;  Philocrites mentions the article in UU World on ethical eating and refers to my response to the article in the following way: Elizabeth, however, thinks the magazine didn&#8217;t wag its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] , animals&nbsp;  Philocrites mentions the article in UU World on ethical eating and refers to my response to the article in the following way: Elizabeth, however, thinks the magazine didn&#8217;t wag its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: elizabeth199</title>
		<link>http://elizabethslittleblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/uu-world-article-on-ethical-eating-a-huge-disappointment/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>elizabeth199</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike.  Thank you so much for your comments.  I am not AT ALL opposed to any products that come from animals that do not harm the animals. If they are able to live happily and live out their whole lives (rather than being prematurely killed if they stop "producing") then I see no problem with this, particularly since it cannot be done on a large scale, and will have a minimal impact on the environment (and maybe even less of an impact than spinach trucked in from California, for instance).  In fact, W. and I have often thought of having some chickens (rescued from factory farms) but with the side benefit of having eggs in good conscience!  I should have made this clear. Particularly when it comes to eggs, or milk, or products that do not necessarily harm animals, I have no moral objection to that.

Thanks for YOUR thoughtful an exciting work in this area, Mike.  It has been such a pleasure to work with you on the GS committee.

Much peace, EG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike.  Thank you so much for your comments.  I am not AT ALL opposed to any products that come from animals that do not harm the animals. If they are able to live happily and live out their whole lives (rather than being prematurely killed if they stop &#8220;producing&#8221;) then I see no problem with this, particularly since it cannot be done on a large scale, and will have a minimal impact on the environment (and maybe even less of an impact than spinach trucked in from California, for instance).  In fact, W. and I have often thought of having some chickens (rescued from factory farms) but with the side benefit of having eggs in good conscience!  I should have made this clear. Particularly when it comes to eggs, or milk, or products that do not necessarily harm animals, I have no moral objection to that.</p>
<p>Thanks for YOUR thoughtful an exciting work in this area, Mike.  It has been such a pleasure to work with you on the GS committee.</p>
<p>Much peace, EG</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schroeder</title>
		<link>http://elizabethslittleblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/uu-world-article-on-ethical-eating-a-huge-disappointment/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Elizabeth
You are such a lovely person, but the world, whose people all seem to equate eating as high on the food chain with wealth and success (just as they do with green lawns), has an extremely long way to go. Hassinger takes an important step! I agree she should have stressed more whole heartedly the value of cutting back on animal products. Still if more people felt reverence for their food and reflected on its origin and wide-reaching impact of its production, perhaps as a way of saying grace, as I can imagine Hassinger doing, what a boon it would be to organic agriculture and the environment and to the welfare of animals.

My daughter and her family are not strictly vegetarians but do not buy meat or prepare it in their home unless it is by chance given to them. They do have 5 chickens, all named, whose night quarters are moved over the vegetable gardens to capture the quano and whose eggs the family eats.  Her best friend has a herd of goats on her organic farm and makes organic cheese to sell.  These two families work extremely hard to lead environmentally responsible lives.  They are such a source of hope and inspiration to me that I can not begin to criticize them for consuming dairy products so sustainably and kindly raised and produced. And I hope you too would include them in your circle of good people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Elizabeth<br />
You are such a lovely person, but the world, whose people all seem to equate eating as high on the food chain with wealth and success (just as they do with green lawns), has an extremely long way to go. Hassinger takes an important step! I agree she should have stressed more whole heartedly the value of cutting back on animal products. Still if more people felt reverence for their food and reflected on its origin and wide-reaching impact of its production, perhaps as a way of saying grace, as I can imagine Hassinger doing, what a boon it would be to organic agriculture and the environment and to the welfare of animals.</p>
<p>My daughter and her family are not strictly vegetarians but do not buy meat or prepare it in their home unless it is by chance given to them. They do have 5 chickens, all named, whose night quarters are moved over the vegetable gardens to capture the quano and whose eggs the family eats.  Her best friend has a herd of goats on her organic farm and makes organic cheese to sell.  These two families work extremely hard to lead environmentally responsible lives.  They are such a source of hope and inspiration to me that I can not begin to criticize them for consuming dairy products so sustainably and kindly raised and produced. And I hope you too would include them in your circle of good people.</p>
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